How to think about measurementThis is where CMOs get stuck. The strategic case sounds reasonable but how do you prove it? Honest answer: you can't measure podcasting like programmatic. And trying will only frustrate you. Programmatic has a clean line from impression to click to conversion. Rapid feedback, clear attribution. Podcasting doesn't work like that. Force it into the same model and it will always look like a failure. Podcasting is brand marketing with a longer timeline and effects that are real but indirect. Your measurement approach has to match. Directly measurable: Downloads, listens, subscriber growth. Are people showing up? Completion rates. Are they staying? Episode-over-episode retention. Are they coming back? Detailed analytics can tell you age, location, even which companies your listeners work for. These are leading indicators. They tell you whether the show is working as a show. Indirectly measurable: The business impact shows up elsewhere, often in metrics you're already tracking. Sales cycle length. Leads who've listened should move faster. Compare the cohorts. Lead quality. Ask sales whether podcast listeners need less convincing. The qualitative signal matters here. Branded search. Growing podcast audience often correlates with more people looking you up. They hear your name repeatedly and eventually get curious. Customer retention. Podcast listeners tend to stick around longer. They churn less. Not measurable, and that's fine: Clean last-touch attribution isn't happening. Someone who listened for six months before filling out a form will credit whatever they touched most recently. The podcast did the work but it won't get the credit. That's not a measurement flaw. It's just how memory works. The same is true for sponsorships, events, PR. None of them attribute cleanly. CMOs still invest because the effects are real even when the spreadsheet can't capture them. Podcasting belongs in that category. The mindset shift: Stop asking what's the ROI of this episode. Start asking what does our pipeline look like for people who've engaged with the podcast versus people who haven't. The comparison reveals the value. Not the direct attribution. There’ll nbe more on measurement frameworks in next week’s edition. The principle is simple: measure podcasting like brand marketing, not performance marketing. Judge it on the outcomes it's actually designed to create.
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